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hello I was just on news Nation uh I was

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on there for a short segment when I was

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asked to going to give a response to an

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interview with Dave grush there was a

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one-hour interview

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and uh he made Dave grush is a guy who

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you probably heard of if you haven't

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then you should probably go and watch

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the segments before you listen to this

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otherwise it will make no sense he is a

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whistleblower who is making claims that

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there are alien crafts that the

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government the US government has

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recovered and also other governments

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have recovered and this was like the

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first release of his big interview where

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it was going to reveal all the secrets

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or at least what he could reveal

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and I was one of the people who was

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asked on in the show afterwards to give

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my response and answer a few questions I

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didn't get to speak very much the host

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Brian uh seemed interested in asking me

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and he asked me twice like do you think

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he is lying uh it's kind of a gotcha

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question I think because I maybe is

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lying maybe he isn't maybe he believes

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what he's saying you know maybe it's

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accurate it doesn't seem very likely but

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uh I don't think it's necessarily lying

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he just could well just believe what

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he's saying and be wrong but anyway I

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only made a couple of points uh on that

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and so I thought I would since I have my

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notes in front of me here I thought I

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would go over my notes and say the

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things that I would have said had I had

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more time

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so the first thing obviously uh with

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this case is that there isn't actually

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any real evidence yet all we have are

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the claims of David grush who is making

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a lot of very extraordinary claims but

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they're all based on either things he

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says are secret or things he says that

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somebody told him which apparently are

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not Secret

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now the claims are quite extraordinary

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extraordinary claims require

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extraordinary evidence uh the first

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claim is that several alien craft have

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been recovered some of them crashed some

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of them landed and the occupants left

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the craft and they were captured by the

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US government

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some of these craft had alien bodies in

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aliens have murdered humans those are

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pretty significant pretty significant

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claim I think that really needs some

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evidence and he said that seems to be

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the case when it was asked to have

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aliens murdered humans he said that

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seems to be the case

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he see he's saying that there is more

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than one type of alien and that the

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aliens some of the aliens are malevolent

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evil aliens

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he said that some of the craft are very

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large the size of a football field uh

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his associate of his who was a lawyer

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Danny sheenan who's part of this whole

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team

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has also been talking to some of the

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eyewitnesses and says that one of the

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eyewitnesses says that a craft was the

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size of a football field but only on the

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and uh on the outside it was only 30

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feet wide so it's kind of like the

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Tardis in Doctor Who uses Doctor Who

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physics it's bigger on the inside than

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the outside and I was wondering if this

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this craft described by Danny Sheehan uh

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the football spill size craft is the

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same as the one that Dave garage saw

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uh One landed in Italy in 1933 and was

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captured by the United States in 1944

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with the help from the Vatican which is

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pretty interesting apparently the

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Vatican knows all about this and helps

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facilitate this UFO being transferred

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from Italy

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now this uh uh he also claims that there

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is a sophisticated disinformation

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campaign fooling the public and Congress

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they don't even read in the president he

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says the president is referred to as a

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temporary employee so they don't read in

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the presidents of these things so this

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is this massive secret we have these

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alien craft uh these aliens are

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murdering people

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and the American government apparently

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He suggests have been murdering people

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also to cover this up he also strongly

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hinted that there was an agreement

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between the American government and

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these aliens some kind of agreement he

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was kind of cagey about it and he says

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oh we should look into it but he he

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pretty much intimated that this was the

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case and there was some document shown

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that that he wrote that mentioned this

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agreement

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I think the biggest problem with this

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other than these claims are outlandish

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and uh ridiculous and don't have any

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evidence behind them the biggest problem

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with this

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is that these claims have been cleared

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by the government this is something I

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mentioned on the program but I think

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it's worth mentioning again in the

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context of what the claims actually are

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yeah there's a government body called

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doctor the department officer

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pre-publication and Security review

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when you want to publish something uh

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like a TV interview or a book uh and you

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are covered by classification you you

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have a security clearance uh even if

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you've left the government you have to

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go through dopsa and they have to look

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at this thing before it's published this

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pre-publication and do a Security review

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so they're going to look at it and

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they've got to see does this reveal any

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classified information

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and so they looked at everything he said

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they looked at things and he says oh

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yeah okay so he's claiming that the US

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government is killing people he's

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claiming that aliens are killing people

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he's claiming that there might be a

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secret agreement with aliens he's

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claiming we have all these alien crafts

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and we've been reverse engineering it

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and we've been illegally giving this

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technology to Industry this is another

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thing he said we've been illegally

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giving this technology to Industry and

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using allowing them to exploit it and

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then sell it back to the government and

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make loads of money and this is this is

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uh uh this is going on uh this is fine

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yeah this is all fine this is not secret

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this is not secret doctor that's cleared

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everything that he has said so none of

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this stuff is secret which kind of begs

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the question uh why has nobody mentioned

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this before

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why has no one mentioned the fact that

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aliens are killing people why has no one

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mentioned the fact that the US

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government has this secret program like

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selling alien technology to Industry why

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hasn't this actually being revealed why

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isn't it being discussed why hasn't

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anybody raised it in Congress it's not

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Dave grosh because it's all being

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cleared by doctor

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uh so the alternative you know to this

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mystery or the his dots are actually

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just saying oh go ahead it doesn't

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really matter yes the US government

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kills people and as a secret uh

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agreement with uh with murderous aliens

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yeah that's not a secret everybody knows

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that the alternative to that ridiculous

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scenario is that what he's saying isn't

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actually true

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now what he's saying is yeah and maybe

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not a lie from his perspective but

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something he

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has been told that is false

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he may well have been told that aliens

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killed people you may well have been

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told that aliens are murdering people

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and that we found alien bodies in crafts

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and that the American government is

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covering it up by killing people and is

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selling technology to Lockheed Martin uh

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illegally

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but that's all false

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that's the actually the only scenario

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that makes sense here the only scenario

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that makes sense because it is all

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cleared by dropser and you know again

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this is a point I made on the show not

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sure it was it wasn't immediately

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followed by Brian didn't really

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understand what I was talking about at

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first but you know that's that's

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uh so that was kind of my main point

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that I wanted to make but there's a

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bunch of other issues like there's the

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cover-up problem the cover-up problem is

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how do you keep such a thing quiet for

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80 years isn't it just saying it's the

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American government has some crashed

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spaceships and we've been covering it up

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and the vatican's helping us he isn't

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just saying that he's saying all the

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major governments all the major Powers

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throughout the world who have this so at

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the very least that is Russia and China

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and there's this somehow this is cold

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war going on where they're doing this

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and we're doing it and they're doing it

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is all secret I guess we have some kind

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of a agreement or understanding where

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nobody tells you know the that the other

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country is actually dealing with

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murderous aliens

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this seems like a very difficult thing

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to cover up it would require if you

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think about what's going on here you

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know you've got you've got government

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industry you've got all these people and

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apparently there are a lot of people in

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there know about this so if you're

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feeding these this Technologies to to

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Lockheed Martin and other people then

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obviously lots of people are going to

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know about you thousands of people you

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thousands of people it's been going on

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since the 1940s apparently

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also in other countries same thing in

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other countries and not just like you

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know other stable countries like Britain

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where we've got like a friendly

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relationship but countries like Russia

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which uh used to be the Soviet Union

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used to include Ukraine and uh uh Latvia

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Lithuania and Estonia and a bunch of

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other countries Kazakhstan countries

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like that and he broke up Soviet Union

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broke up into all these separate

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countries different people took power

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you know a whole different kettle of

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fish you know China after the second

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world war went through like the cultural

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revolution completely separate thing

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separated into China and Taiwan lots of

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different things going on and yet

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somehow

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all these countries that are going

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through all these regime changes have

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managed to keep this secret and not let

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it be revealed and again the excuse they

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gave is that oh we've kind of made it so

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it seems silly so someone releases

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information they'll just be laughed at

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and uh you know that's how it hasn't got

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it seems uh kind of ridiculous

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this is something that kind of glossed

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over in the interview in the interview

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uh Ross culthart the interviewer who it

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really isn't like an investigative

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journalist in this case he's really more

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of an advocate Because he believes

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strongly that this is happening and he's

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basically trying to make the case but

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that that aside at aside Ross colfart

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the interviewer in this case

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uh so yeah why are they crashing you

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know why are they crashing and

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um and and Dave grush said something

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along the lines you know well you know

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you know we make cars and things and we

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make them as well as we can but

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sometimes sometimes they crash sometimes

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planes crash and you know even though

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these aliens are probably more advanced

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than others they probably still crash

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sometimes too

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but you know I think let's do the math

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here let's do the math

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these aliens Yeah the more advanced the

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most so they're probably going to be a

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lot the craft are probably going to be a

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lot safer than ours you think they'd

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have these automated systems it's like

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you know like a Tesla now will stop if

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you try to run into somebody it used to

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be you used to be able to run people

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over now now they stop automatically

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uh they probably have much more advanced

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versions of that you know I think

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probably at least 100 years more

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advanced than what we have maybe 10 000

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years maybe in a million years more

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advanced so they've got safer craft

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think about how many accidents how many

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serious plane crashes we have we usually

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only have like one one a year or

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something like that in the United States

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you think about the last big plane crash

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that happened in the United States I

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can't even remember it I think it was a

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few years ago

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so you know planes crash every year or

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so we're also told that UFOs crash every

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every year or so every few years maybe

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like every five years something like

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that because they're a bit safer aren't

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they but consider how many planes there

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are in the sky at any one time there is

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like thirty thousand commercial flights

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every day these are the the proper

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commercial flights you know New York to

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Boston type thing it's like real

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commercial flights you know just going

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across the country big planes

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thirty thousand of them there's actually

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more like 45 000 if you count all the

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small planes as well the general

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aviation planes every day

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and yeah we only have about one crash

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every year every few years and we have a

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similar number of crashes of UFOs which

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are probably much safer which means

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there's probably more UFOs many more

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UFOs in the sky than there are planes if

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you take this simple math and

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extrapolate it if there's 30 000 like

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significant planes in the sky that

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probably means there's hundreds of

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thousands of UFOs in the sky every day

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for them to crash at this rate

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unless they've got like a failure

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percentage of like you know one percent

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or something they're just constantly

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dropping out of the sky for some bizarre

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reason they would have to be hundreds of

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thousands

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uh even Dave gresh says like they're

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going to be like our cars they crash

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sometimes you know the like the planes

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they crash sometimes but if if they are

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like our planes there would have to be

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hundreds of thousands of them in the sky

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norat doesn't see them

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the FAA doesn't see them other Pilots

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they see loads of the planes all the

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time they don't see these hundreds of

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thousands of UFOs people don't take

370
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photographs of them I I see planes all

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the time when I'm walking my dog I

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should probably see like 10 20 planes on

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a typical like walk of half an hour I

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can take I take photos of them all the

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time

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if there's even more UFOs than that why

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don't I see them

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some of them are supposedly big the size

379
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of a football field don't see those

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Arrow

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the NASA's uh Narrows the pentagons

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official body that's searching for these

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these things they don't see hundreds of

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thousands of UFOs every day what do I

385
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already see they've seen a few balloons

386
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a few silver spheres that are floating

387
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through the air

388
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they've seen a few optical illusions you

389
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know most of what they see isn't

390
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actually even a real UFO it's stuff like

391
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a distant plane they showed one of the

392
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NASA Herring which is just three dots in

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the distance and the camera was moving

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around making it look weird this uh

395
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Middle East sphere that they they showed

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on this the show I was just on

397
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it's just probably just a balloon yeah

398
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it's Parallax effect just a very common

399
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thing it's green triangles uh they're

400
00:14:46,129 --> 00:14:44,100
not even UFOs at all so this

401
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they're not seeing any UFOs

402
00:14:50,329 --> 00:14:48,480
and yet if they're crashing one every

403
00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:50,339
year or so there would have to be

404
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hundreds of thousands of them in the sky

405
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so perhaps they just don't exist

406
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perhaps it's not actually true

407
00:15:05,210 --> 00:15:03,120
so I guess a few other points uh yeah

408
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I'm a skeptic I was brought on for being

409
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this skeptic Viewpoint and Skeptics

410
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I think would like this cleared up

411
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I would like the government to

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investigate please Congress if you are

413
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listening please investigate I call upon

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00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:20,040
Congress to investigate this thing you

415
00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:21,300
know people are always saying Mick why

416
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didn't you call upon Congress to

417
00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:24,600
investigate this it's kind of silly like

418
00:15:28,189 --> 00:15:26,100
it's not like you know you can't simply

419
00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:28,199
call upon Congress to investigate but

420
00:15:32,449 --> 00:15:30,899
yeah that's what I'm doing I I agree

421
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:32,459
with the calls on Congress to

422
00:15:37,009 --> 00:15:35,279
investigate not trying to stop it at all

423
00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:37,019
just pointing out how ridiculous the

424
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claims are we need to look into the

425
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:41,639
situation as a whole you know why do we

426
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:43,680
have this situation why do we have

427
00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,519
people who claim to work in the program

428
00:15:51,889 --> 00:15:49,199
which is what they call it apparently

429
00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:51,899
the program and uh what's actually going

430
00:15:56,810 --> 00:15:54,420
on what are things going on I think it's

431
00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:56,820
probably the program is a crash

432
00:15:59,090 --> 00:15:58,320
retrieval and reverse engineering

433
00:16:02,030 --> 00:15:59,100
program

434
00:16:05,689 --> 00:16:02,040
and I think what they are retrieving is

435
00:16:08,449 --> 00:16:05,699
crashed foreign craft like Russian

436
00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:08,459
fighter jets Russian drones Chinese

437
00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:11,880
fighter jets Chinese submarines Russian

438
00:16:16,129 --> 00:16:13,320
submarines you know we won I think it

439
00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:16,139
was like 1976 we spent three billion

440
00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:18,540
dollars in today's money recovering a

441
00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:22,500
Russian submarine top secret program and

442
00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:24,060
uh we would have taken that submarine

443
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,860
and reverse engineered the heck out of

444
00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:27,360
it and it would have been super secret

445
00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:28,980
and the people working on that program

446
00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:30,180
might not have known what they were

447
00:16:32,990 --> 00:16:31,380
working on because they'd be just like

448
00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:33,000
hey here's a bit of metal like you know

449
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:34,260
check it out

450
00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:36,240
and then someone else would synthesize

451
00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:38,100
that data into the the greater

452
00:16:41,150 --> 00:16:39,660
understanding of what was going on but

453
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,160
not everybody who works in the program

454
00:16:44,269 --> 00:16:42,959
is going to be read into every single

455
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:44,279
thing that's going on because you want

456
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:46,079
to keep it secret

457
00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:48,000
which may well be why we've arrived at

458
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:49,740
this situation there's a secret program

459
00:16:54,829 --> 00:16:51,360
of Crash retrievals and reverse

460
00:16:56,749 --> 00:16:54,839
engineering that the UAP task force

461
00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:56,759
wasn't allowed to look into because it's

462
00:17:00,650 --> 00:16:59,160
super secret and or the UAP task force

463
00:17:02,269 --> 00:17:00,660
need to know about Russian submarines

464
00:17:04,850 --> 00:17:02,279
and Chinese Jets

465
00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:04,860
so we got this

466
00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:07,140
um misunderstanding

467
00:17:11,329 --> 00:17:10,140
and everybody's like hmm must be UFOs

468
00:17:13,549 --> 00:17:11,339
and then people working on the program

469
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,559
were like yeah I got this really weird

470
00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:16,079
bit of metal I got this strange isotope

471
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:17,880
ratios no idea what it is I think it's

472
00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:20,880
UFOs and someone else is like yeah

473
00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:23,100
did you hear about malstrom

474
00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:26,339
no no uh mulstrom yeah the UFO shot down

475
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some shut down some nuclear weapons like

476
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back in the um was it 60s 50s long time

477
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ago and then I think this UFO mythology

478
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kind of

479
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and these people start talking and some

480
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people become convinced and then they

481
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start reading stuff

482
00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:46,320
they start folding in other bits of

483
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Mythology like some people who've worked

484
00:17:52,909 --> 00:17:51,059
in government and also outside of

485
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government kind of pulled in things that

486
00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:55,500
they did like analyzing bits of metal

487
00:18:00,169 --> 00:17:57,419
there's this famous bit of metal but

488
00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:00,179
that uh has these multiple layers Linda

489
00:18:03,529 --> 00:18:01,919
Moulton Howe had it I believe she got it

490
00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:03,539
from Art Bell and then sold it to Tom

491
00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:05,940
Delong and then Tom Delong sold it to

492
00:18:10,370 --> 00:18:07,620
his own company but it's just a

493
00:18:12,350 --> 00:18:10,380
multi-layered bit of magnesium and

494
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,360
bismuth which people are like what is

495
00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,400
this thing it's probably just a bit of

496
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an industrial process byproduct or

497
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something that somebody sent in on a

498
00:18:23,450 --> 00:18:21,240
lark to Art Bell like 30 years ago

499
00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:23,460
but that seems to be what seems to be

500
00:18:27,770 --> 00:18:25,080
what Dave grush is talking about this

501
00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:27,780
meta material and I very much suspect

502
00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,980
that's actually what he's talking about

503
00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:30,240
anyway I'm kind of getting a little bit

504
00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:32,340
off topic here but also talking about

505
00:18:35,930 --> 00:18:34,860
yeah we want an investigation and we

506
00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:35,940
want to figure out what's going on

507
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:39,299
because uh if if it's just like a bunch

508
00:18:42,049 --> 00:18:40,559
of people you know there's a real secret

509
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:42,059
program but a bunch of people think this

510
00:18:45,230 --> 00:18:43,679
secret program is actually an alien

511
00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:45,240
crash retrieval program

512
00:18:49,330 --> 00:18:47,340
it's kind of messed up

513
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:49,340
yeah it's kind of like there's um

514
00:18:54,590 --> 00:18:52,559
a systemic and cultural failure within

515
00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:54,600
the intelligence community

516
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due in part to excessive secrecy because

517
00:19:02,630 --> 00:18:59,460
no one's allowed to talk about anything

518
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,640
and this this this failure

519
00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:04,799
this systemic flight failure the failure

520
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:07,500
of the system is allowing false beliefs

521
00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:09,840
and magical thinking to grow so people

522
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,620
end up thinking that they're there's a

523
00:19:18,409 --> 00:19:14,880
they're working on a crash retrieval

524
00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:18,419
program of of alien UFOs when they're

525
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,000
actually not and then all these stories

526
00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:24,240
kind of grow in the telling

527
00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:26,940
okay so yeah the UFO mythology

528
00:19:31,789 --> 00:19:29,880
is uh contains things that Dave gross

529
00:19:34,850 --> 00:19:31,799
talked about UFO mythology talks about

530
00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:34,860
this this uh well Roswell obviously he

531
00:19:39,049 --> 00:19:36,900
just basically gave the standard uh

532
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:39,059
believer version of Roswell

533
00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:41,940
the malstrom instrument incident with

534
00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:44,220
the nuclear weapons going offline uh

535
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,440
that's something that that happened and

536
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,240
there's a report of one security guard

537
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:51,360
seeing a glowing red ore but some points

538
00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:53,160
in a different location you can read

539
00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:55,080
more about it on metabung just look for

540
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,240
malstrom there's a whole bunch of

541
00:20:02,810 --> 00:19:59,039
Investigations into that but there's

542
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:02,820
really not a lot to it uh mussolinas UFO

543
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,440
in 1922 33 and recovered by the US with

544
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:09,120
the help of the Vatican that's kind of a

545
00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:10,559
new thing but basically it's UFO

546
00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:11,820
mythology

547
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,520
Doctor Who physics uh this isn't

548
00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:16,080
something that Dave gresh said but you

549
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,880
know the lawyer he's working with uh

550
00:20:20,570 --> 00:20:19,320
sheenan like said that one of the craft

551
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,580
was bigger on the inside than the

552
00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:23,280
outside this is typical UFO mythology

553
00:20:27,770 --> 00:20:25,380
people have given similar accounts and

554
00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:27,780
he's kind of I think he's and perhaps

555
00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:29,700
other people are folding in other

556
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,500
accounts of UFO mythology into something

557
00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:37,440
of a real situation or before I forget

558
00:20:41,810 --> 00:20:39,720
another thing Dave gross said

559
00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:41,820
was that the head of Arrow

560
00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:43,980
yeah everyone's saying that Arrow this

561
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,480
this Pentagon task force which is

562
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,240
looking into UFOs cannot

563
00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:50,400
um look into these programs because it

564
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,179
doesn't have title 50 clearance however

565
00:20:59,450 --> 00:20:56,400
Dave garush says he talked to Sean

566
00:21:03,169 --> 00:20:59,460
Kirkpatrick and the Sean Kirkpatrick

567
00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:03,179
could have looked into this and could

568
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:05,640
have discovered the same things that

569
00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:07,500
Dave garage said

570
00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:10,140
now Ross colfart will tell you this is

571
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:11,820
not true because he doesn't have title

572
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:14,280
50 clearance but the guy who does have

573
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:17,340
title 50 clearance Dave garush just told

574
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:18,480
us

575
00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:22,080
that

576
00:21:27,049 --> 00:21:24,120
um Sean Kirkpatrick could look into it

577
00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:27,059
and could discover the same things

578
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,860
maybe Shankar battery looked into it and

579
00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:30,600
discovered nothing maybe Sean

580
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,280
Kirkpatrick as is implied in the

581
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,620
interview is part of a giant cover-up I

582
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,600
tend to think the former

583
00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:38,640
um the first one Dave Kirkpatrick looked

584
00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:40,620
into it didn't find anything to

585
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,860
substantiate it Arrow has said the total

586
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:45,360
lots of whistleblowers who have told him

587
00:21:48,169 --> 00:21:46,740
this is secret program and they've not

588
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:48,179
been able to find any evidence to

589
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:50,340
substantiate it and I think that's just

590
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:56,090
some broader issues here actually I mean

591
00:21:58,909 --> 00:21:57,480
there's some more specific issues here

592
00:22:02,810 --> 00:21:58,919
first I made some notes during this year

593
00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:02,820
Maelstrom Dimensions oh yes so he was

594
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:05,159
going to speculating a lot about extra

595
00:22:09,289 --> 00:22:07,140
dimensions and this is how the craft

596
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:09,299
traveled from one location to the other

597
00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:11,580
which sounded very science fictionary to

598
00:22:16,130 --> 00:22:14,100
me you know he said it's he has a degree

599
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:16,140
in physics

600
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:20,820
it's great it's not like a PhD in

601
00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,740
physics and I don't know how much

602
00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:24,360
physics he's actually done over the

603
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:27,720
years but he seems convinced that

604
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:30,419
there's this particular mechanism where

605
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:33,000
uh extra Dimensions as defined by

606
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,159
quantum physics can be used for Rapid

607
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,159
travel or perhaps the creatures

608
00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:40,559
themselves are coming from another

609
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,539
dimension like you know this kind of

610
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,640
parallel universes perhaps a different

611
00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:46,799
spatial level above you know to the side

612
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,659
or you know diagonal because it's an

613
00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:51,360
extra Dimension uh and the the creatures

614
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,400
are inter-dimensional beings you didn't

615
00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:54,960
want to necessarily say you know they're

616
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,700
aliens from another planet that's a

617
00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:58,080
little bit silly they could be being

618
00:23:01,970 --> 00:23:00,360
some another dimension or they could

619
00:23:03,529 --> 00:23:01,980
have be being from another planet that

620
00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:03,539
traveled here via or another dimension

621
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:06,120
or via folding the dimensions in a

622
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,320
strange way

623
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:10,080
it seemed basically like he was

624
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,890
uh

625
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:17,460
there was a short segment on the videos

626
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,260
which you know obviously like if you

627
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,120
look at my my channel I do a lot of work

628
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,760
analyzing these UFO videos he mentioned

629
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:26,159
a couple of them not a lot didn't

630
00:23:30,289 --> 00:23:28,500
discuss very much details

631
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,299
they brought up gimbal one of my

632
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:33,539
favorite videos and uh he was asked you

633
00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:35,220
know uh Ross say something oh there's a

634
00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:36,900
whole Bevy of debunkers on the internet

635
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:38,580
who've said things about this well it's

636
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,679
mostly me it's mostly me who's been

637
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:42,000
saying things about the gimbal video

638
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,740
I've done this very detailed analysis

639
00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:45,900
and you can you can check them out

640
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:48,900
so he said oh yeah I've looked at that

641
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,460
with people who know about the app

642
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:52,500
player and because of like you know

643
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:55,980
stuff like the the pixel saturation uh

644
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,380
it's it's not it's not a plane yeah we

645
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:00,600
don't know what it is but you know uh

646
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:03,179
it's not a plain pixel saturation didn't

647
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:05,400
really say very much but what he did say

648
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,120
about pixel saturation reminded me of a

649
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:11,820
person he would know on the UAP task

650
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,760
force called Travis Taylor now Travis

651
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,760
Taylor is a guy with two phds one in

652
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,100
Optics and the other one I think I

653
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:22,320
believe in Aerospace Systems mechanics

654
00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:24,179
or something of Aerospace science but

655
00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:27,179
clever guy got two phds he was the chief

656
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:29,820
scientist of the UAP task force he's

657
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,419
also a TV scientist he appears on

658
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:35,340
Ancient Aliens where he's constantly

659
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,039
going on with great excitement about how

660
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:40,500
some hieroglyphoses on a wall is

661
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,299
actually evidence that aliens are

662
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:43,919
visitors in the past

663
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:47,880
he's also a TV scientist on the show uh

664
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:50,039
the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch

665
00:24:54,169 --> 00:24:52,380
where he plays again another very

666
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,179
excitable scientist I mean it's not I

667
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:55,679
say plays I mean it's supposed to be

668
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:58,620
real it's supposed to be actually him he

669
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:00,120
appears as a very excitable scientist

670
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:03,900
who makes these ridiculous errors of

671
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:07,740
Science and these ridiculous leaps of uh

672
00:25:12,649 --> 00:25:10,140
of inference in things and says things

673
00:25:13,870 --> 00:25:12,659
like uh well that rocket went up and

674
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:13,880
then it could avert a bit to the left

675
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,940
maybe there's a portal above the ranch

676
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,740
I mean this is pretty much verbatim the

677
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:21,780
type of thing he says so yeah it's just

678
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:25,440
entertainment but he and the he's

679
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:26,640
basically he's claiming that this is

680
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:27,900
actual science he's claiming they're

681
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:30,600
doing real science obviously they are

682
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,480
not but uh this is what he claims and

683
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,460
the science he has done has been very

684
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:38,159
poor he presented a paper once well not

685
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:40,980
a paper like a presentation at a UFO

686
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:43,320
conference where he was showing the

687
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:46,200
gimbal video the gimbal video and he

688
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:47,460
pointed out that he had these little

689
00:25:52,669 --> 00:25:50,159
wibbly lines on it and so he said like

690
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:52,679
these wibbly lines are interference

691
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,820
fringes

692
00:25:57,649 --> 00:25:55,679
because there was like some moment where

693
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,659
the camera got bumped and then the light

694
00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:59,640
Pathways went through two things at the

695
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:02,100
same time and they interfered with each

696
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:05,460
other and we can use this interference

697
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:07,860
of two different frames to figure out

698
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:11,279
how far away this object is so we did

699
00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:12,600
all this math

700
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,820
using these the sine waves that they

701
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:16,980
determined were in this image and came

702
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:18,179
up with answer

703
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,220
problem was

704
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,440
this wibbling on the line wasn't

705
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,760
actually

706
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:25,799
something to do with the internal Optics

707
00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:27,960
of the system which his PhD might have

708
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:29,940
been able to address

709
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:33,299
it was uh interlacing

710
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,200
the cameras that uh the recorded this

711
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:39,600
video use interlaced video which means

712
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:43,020
that every other line on the video is

713
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:45,299
recorded one frame off from another so

714
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:47,100
when something moves rapidly which is

715
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:48,659
the camera was moving in this instance

716
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,900
things end up looking jaggy like this so

717
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:53,760
what he was seeing wasn't an

718
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:55,380
interference pattern it was just two

719
00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:56,340
frames

720
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,820
of the image and the the Jaggers of of

721
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,919
the interlacing and he wasn't looking at

722
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:03,600
the original video he was looking at a

723
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:05,100
version of the video he downloaded from

724
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:09,419
YouTube and the smooth sine wave was

725
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:11,700
because he was a blurred out low

726
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:15,539
resolution version of the video

727
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,779
and is smoothed it out anyway basically

728
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,880
it was his entire analysis was complete

729
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,559
nonsense and it's typical of the type of

730
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,539
mistakes that he makes but everyone

731
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,120
respects him because he's two phds and

732
00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:28,559
so they don't question him which I think

733
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,380
is perhaps speaking to the the systemic

734
00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:32,880
and cultural failure that I was

735
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,440
discussing earlier you know people don't

736
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:36,240
question each other and there's a lot of

737
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:38,039
secrecy so you can't ask certain

738
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:39,480
questions so you've got this combination

739
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:41,580
of things excessive deference to people

740
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:44,400
who you think know the right answer and

741
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:46,620
uh secrecy and so people end up

742
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:48,360
believing things but you kind of back to

743
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:51,960
the analysis so Dave garush says

744
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:55,980
saturation pixel saturation that

745
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,820
is analysis that Travis Taylor did

746
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,340
and Travis Taylor did this analysis and

747
00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:04,860
said that these pixels are too saturated

748
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,440
for the distance

749
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,940
and that means that it couldn't actually

750
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:11,279
be a plane so this is his this is Theory

751
00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:14,700
but problem is he's basing this uh

752
00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:18,779
saturation issue on again low resolution

753
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:21,020
video

754
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:24,120
that has a low color depth the actual

755
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:26,760
original video is in 14 bits yeah

756
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:28,260
technical thing but

757
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:30,419
14 bets is a lot more than 8 Bits which

758
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:32,100
is what you get when you look at the

759
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,580
video that's on YouTube so again here's

760
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:37,679
analysis was kind of garbage in garbage

761
00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:38,580
out

762
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:43,020
and I do not think that Travis Taylor's

763
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,760
assessment is correct it's a there's a

764
00:28:48,490 --> 00:28:46,260
long thread of it on it on metabunk

765
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:48,500
explaining all the math and the science

766
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,179
and if Dave garage is basing his

767
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,039
assessment on Travis Taylor his buddy

768
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,679
from the UAP task force then I don't

769
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:58,140
think that's correct either

770
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,539
uh but if he wants to talk about it if

771
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,400
he wants to you know debate it or

772
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,860
something he's now a public citizen he's

773
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,679
free to uh to like publish his own

774
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,559
analysis of the public video gimbal so

775
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,299
why don't you go ahead Dave grosh

776
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,600
publish this this thing except you

777
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:17,039
probably didn't do the analysis did you

778
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:18,539
you just repeated Travis Taylor's

779
00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:26,990
all right so uh

780
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:28,850
more broader issues I should just finish

781
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:31,620
off this oh the Omaha sphere Omaha

782
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,620
sphere another video that they brought

783
00:29:38,269 --> 00:29:37,200
up and down didn't really say very much

784
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,279
about it

785
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,840
I think Ross says well it's either

786
00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:41,760
shooting away into the distance or it's

787
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,860
going into the ocean and I think I can't

788
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:45,299
already say something like he's going

789
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:46,559
into the ocean

790
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:50,399
but you Analyze That video it's not too

791
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:52,260
complicated you zoom in look at the very

792
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:54,059
end of it where it disappears what

793
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:58,020
happens is the the object doesn't look

794
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,399
like it's actually going into the water

795
00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:00,960
it looks like it's going behind the

796
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:03,779
Horizon let me just grab a flashlight

797
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,580
demonstrate

798
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:08,340
uh here is a flashlight pointing at the

799
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:11,700
camera now if something goes behind the

800
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:13,860
her the Horizon you'll see it kind of

801
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,480
like you know you'll see half of it and

802
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,799
then you'll see none of it it'll

803
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,200
disappear behind the Horizon now if a

804
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:21,600
bright light if something goes into the

805
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:23,399
water sorry same thing same thing if a

806
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:25,460
bright light goes down

807
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:28,020
and it goes if it goes into the water

808
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:29,460
it's just going to Blink out it's going

809
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:31,140
to disappear if it goes behind the

810
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,720
Horizon what happens is it just gets

811
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:36,120
smaller and shrinks and disappears

812
00:30:40,669 --> 00:30:38,100
this is what we see in the Omaha sphere

813
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:40,679
video we see a light that is shrinking

814
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:42,120
and disappearing we know it's an

815
00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:44,100
infrared which means it's a heat source

816
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:45,299
that is shrinking and disappearing

817
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:47,159
something going into the water wouldn't

818
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,080
do that this is something that is going

819
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,120
behind the Horizon it's being gradually

820
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,000
obscured by The Horizon and don't know

821
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,340
what it is but it's not something that's

822
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,320
going into the water so again that

823
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,200
analysis is wrong

824
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,600
okay those are my little points that I

825
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:06,000
had that I wrote down

826
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:07,799
so just some

827
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:11,700
broader points uh

828
00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:13,620
uh this story is coming from The Usual

829
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:15,320
Suspects

830
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,059
the story it was originally written by

831
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:20,640
Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal they

832
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,140
wanted to publish it in New York Times

833
00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:24,419
New York Times turned them down they

834
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:25,799
wanted to publish in the Washington Post

835
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,480
The Washington Post wanted to fact check

836
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,100
it and they were taking too long fact

837
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:32,640
checking it now Dave grush's name was

838
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:35,000
unfortunately leaked onto the internet

839
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:37,980
uh right about a month ago by by the

840
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:42,120
lawyer on the team uh Danny Sheehan who

841
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:44,279
you know blurted it out he has a kind of

842
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:46,260
a no filter approach to talking Dennis

843
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,460
Sheehan

844
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:49,559
and so they that his name was being

845
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:51,000
brought up and so they wanted to move it

846
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:52,740
forward Washington Post didn't have

847
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:55,559
enough time to publish it uh to fact

848
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:56,940
check it before they published it so

849
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:58,740
it's published in the debrief which is

850
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:00,779
this much smaller site that's very kind

851
00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:02,700
of UFO friendly they do a lot of UFO

852
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,779
stories

853
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,720
and uh and they published it probably

854
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,360
did some fact checking but I mean we

855
00:32:14,570 --> 00:32:11,640
know that his credentials are good but

856
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:14,580
how much fat chicken can you do

857
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:17,159
in that short amount of time so Leslie

858
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,659
keen and Rob bloomathon they wrote the

859
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,700
original New York Times story Leslie key

860
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:22,799
and rock Blumenthal are also a big kind

861
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:25,679
of uh UFO people they've uh Leslie Keen

862
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,480
has written a lot about UFO she's also

863
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,640
written books about uh life after death

864
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,919
in the afterlife Rob Blumenthal has

865
00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:33,840
written books about alien abduction he

866
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:36,659
wrote a biography of John Mack called

867
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:39,480
The Believer uh which is about how John

868
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,059
Mack thinks he has all this evidence of

869
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,919
alien abductions by interviewing a lot

870
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:45,419
of people and believing them all they're

871
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:47,820
up Blumenthal and Leslie Keane

872
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:48,419
um

873
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,480
I think I can have the more credulous

874
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,880
journalists but they are also fairly

875
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:55,679
careful journalists to a degree to a

876
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,500
degree in that they don't want to

877
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,020
alienate people and this is something

878
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,059
that uh kind of a poor choice of

879
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,559
Worcester alienate they don't want to

880
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:06,720
turn people off by having the story seem

881
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,980
too silly

882
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:09,600
and

883
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:12,899
Leslie Keane Levy Kane sorry Leslie Kane

884
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,019
uh has said explicitly in a number of

885
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:18,120
times that there were things in the they

886
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:19,320
didn't report in the New York Times

887
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:20,279
story

888
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:23,940
uh because they were too too extreme

889
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:28,080
she said of this story that she didn't

890
00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:29,159
talk

891
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:30,899
about the bodies

892
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:33,299
with uh with Dave garage you seemed

893
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,740
quite surprised that this eve this even

894
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:36,600
came up that there were bodies

895
00:33:42,049 --> 00:33:40,740
and so uh when when you know she heard

896
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:42,059
about it she was says like oh I never

897
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:43,320
talked to him about that I don't want to

898
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:46,140
talk about that and I wouldn't have put

899
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:48,299
it in the story had I had talked about

900
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:51,779
it so she's like yeah retrieved alien

901
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,340
crap that's one thing but retrieved

902
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,720
alien bodies that's a step too far

903
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,880
that'll just make it seem silly and of

904
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:58,440
course there's far sillier things that

905
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,059
have come out since then and I'd be very

906
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:02,640
interesting to hear Leslie Kane's uh

907
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,000
opinion on aliens have murdered people

908
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,520
what do you think of that Leslie or uh

909
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,740
the America has murdered people to cover

910
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:12,899
up the fact that aliens are exist and

911
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,240
have been murdering people and this is

912
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:18,540
these massive cover-ups uh some some

913
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:20,580
crafts are bigger on the inside than the

914
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:22,679
outside like the Tardis

915
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:23,820
um you know things like and there's this

916
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:26,879
massive campaign of of cover-ups

917
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,480
so you know the

918
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,879
the train to make it palatable but

919
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,919
obviously it's gone beyond that and

920
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,659
other people who are reporting on this

921
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,760
seem similarly cautious they're now like

922
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,440
oh well I'm not saying that he's right

923
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,240
I'm saying he's a very credible person

924
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:44,399
like Bryce Seibel

925
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,879
uh zabel uh was saying that he and he

926
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:49,679
was the one who kind of said first that

927
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,960
uh aliens had killed people or there was

928
00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:54,119
a malevolent aliens that's a thing

929
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,560
there's apparently two different races

930
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:58,020
of aliens one of which is malevolent

931
00:35:03,550 --> 00:35:00,660
which is uh very interesting

932
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:03,560
uh so other people I and this Ross Colt

933
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:05,820
yeah he's kind of appreciate is the

934
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:07,140
investigative journalist who's worked on

935
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,520
60 Minutes

936
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,619
yeah but you know mostly what he does

937
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:13,500
now is he does stories about UFOs and he

938
00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:15,780
spent months preparing for this

939
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:17,700
particular story because this is the big

940
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:19,619
story this is the big story and he knows

941
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,780
it's a big story so this is pretty much

942
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:23,760
all he's done he's uh he's been

943
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:25,560
preparing for this story when he's

944
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:27,000
interviewing

945
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,740
um Dave garage

946
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,480
he's not like he's a hard-hitting

947
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:33,119
journalist I mean sure he says like are

948
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,160
you crazy Dave gresh have you been

949
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,920
diagnosed with mental illness which is

950
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:39,599
you know stupid question really you need

951
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,920
to be a bit more subtle than that

952
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:43,020
because obviously the answer to that is

953
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:45,180
no

954
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:49,560
anyway so uh Ross Colfer UFO journalist

955
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,500
basically pushing the UFO narrative Gary

956
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:54,720
Nolan apparently is behind the scenes

957
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:57,420
I've heard that Gary Nolan is behind the

958
00:36:01,210 --> 00:35:59,820
scenes uh helping with this and he's

959
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:01,220
been one of the people who's been

960
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,160
introducing uh Ross Dave gross to other

961
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:07,920
people so and and he's you know one of

962
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:09,720
the the fixtures in the UFO circuit

963
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:11,820
nowadays he was on

964
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,240
um what's his name Tucker Carlson and

965
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:17,520
various other shows he's been on is is

966
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,180
he was at the uh the uh the Ancient

967
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:23,400
Aliens conference alien Con in Pasadena

968
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:25,079
I saw him there shook his hand seems

969
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,700
like a nice guy

970
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:28,500
alien believer

971
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:30,780
he has some kind of alien experience

972
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,520
maybe not aliens maybe just some kind of

973
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:34,560
altered reality experience as a child

974
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,820
like

975
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,640
aliens in his room uh UFO flying over

976
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,980
but he's a guy who's basically already

977
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,140
decided like 10 years ago that the alien

978
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:45,119
narrative is correct and has been trying

979
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:46,260
to

980
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,839
uh promote it in what we call the

981
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,119
invisible College which is this this

982
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,520
group of people acting in Academia and

983
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:55,619
in in the military in the intelligence

984
00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:58,859
Community to promote uh disclosure of

985
00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:00,900
UFOs because they believe that UFOs are

986
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:03,060
are aliens uh other people you've

987
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,579
probably heard of Lou Elizondo yeah he

988
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:07,800
was somebody who was brought forward by

989
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:10,380
Leslie Kane and Rob Blumenthal during

990
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:14,640
the the first story back in 2017 uh he

991
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:16,500
is involved by all accounts behind the

992
00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:18,660
scenes in this this current story I'm

993
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,760
sure he won't deny it if you ask him it

994
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:23,520
Eric Davis is uh someone who's been

995
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,900
around for a long time

996
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:26,880
May well be one of the sources he's he's

997
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:31,680
like a a physicist and he works I don't

998
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:33,180
know where he works actually I have to I

999
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:34,680
have to verify that but you know he's

1000
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:38,040
he's someone who's told similar stories

1001
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:41,099
and apparently his briefed Congress or

1002
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:42,540
you know brief someone who briefed

1003
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:44,099
Congress and said we have technology of

1004
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,720
off-world origin this was a story a

1005
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:47,099
while back no one really took it up

1006
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,020
because like who is Eric Davis

1007
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,119
uh but now we've got yeah the big dogs

1008
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:53,040
we've got Dave Garrosh who has this

1009
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:54,599
title 50 clearance who's much better

1010
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:56,280
than Eric Davis but basically is telling

1011
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,140
the same story I mean Eric Davis I'm

1012
00:38:02,089 --> 00:38:00,480
sure has been advising

1013
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:02,099
Hal putoff

1014
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:04,980
really old one don't mean it in a bad

1015
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,440
way but uh old school in that goes back

1016
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:09,680
a long way into the history of ufology

1017
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:12,660
he did some of the original uh project

1018
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,060
Stargate research for the government

1019
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,160
when the government was believing in in

1020
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,720
the Supernatural and they thought they

1021
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:20,880
could do remote viewing project Stargate

1022
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,820
they they looked into like you know can

1023
00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:26,000
we spy on the Russians

1024
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,339
uh and uh with using using psychic

1025
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:31,440
powers and can we kill goats by staring

1026
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:33,240
at them it's a movie Made Men Who Stare

1027
00:38:38,290 --> 00:38:35,160
at Goats based on a true story Hal

1028
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:38,300
putoff was there how putoff has been uh

1029
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:42,240
involved over the years on this and he's

1030
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,220
involved now he's probably one of the

1031
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:46,560
people that Dave Garcia talks to again

1032
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:48,180
ask him

1033
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:50,760
I doubt he will deny it so these are all

1034
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:52,920
names that have been in ufology for many

1035
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:56,099
years and so for many decades and it

1036
00:39:02,530 --> 00:38:58,200
seems to me that they are promoting

1037
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:02,540
their own beliefs rather than genuinely

1038
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,000
reporting and investigating on a case

1039
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:08,640
they want to promote UFO disclosure

1040
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:09,900
because they already believe it to be

1041
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:12,720
true so they believe Dave garisha's

1042
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,339
story which is part of that whole

1043
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:16,980
overall systemic and cultural failure

1044
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,619
where people just believe other people

1045
00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:21,960
because it fits their system and there's

1046
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:24,180
no checks and balances and no one's

1047
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,560
encouraged to actually check it and then

1048
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:27,359
everything's wrapped in secrecy so we

1049
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:29,460
can't actually figure it out

1050
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,099
then finally you can see why I couldn't

1051
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,800
fit all this in into the five minutes or

1052
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:36,119
less that I actually got to speak

1053
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:37,500
probably even less than that he was more

1054
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:40,200
like two minutes uh

1055
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,700
I couldn't fit all this in because

1056
00:39:47,089 --> 00:39:43,800
there's so much but my last my last

1057
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:47,099
point is about the Paranormal

1058
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:49,320
and Gary Nolan said

1059
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,260
a couple of months ago

1060
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:54,240
uh we don't want to talk about the woo

1061
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:56,940
woo is a term used to mean paranormal

1062
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:58,980
it's actually was originally used by the

1063
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,839
skeptical Community but it's kind of

1064
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:03,119
been co-opted a little bit by the uh the

1065
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:04,740
UFO and the Paranormal community and

1066
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:07,020
they refer to Paranormal as the woo as

1067
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:11,400
in woo scary ghost but yeah seriously uh

1068
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:13,500
Gary Nolan says like we don't want to

1069
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:16,200
talk about the woo because it scares the

1070
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,540
bejesus out of people no one wants to

1071
00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:19,680
know that you know they're actually

1072
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:23,160
ghosts and uh and malevolent alien

1073
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,619
entities that the government has uh are

1074
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,440
packed with at the expense of U.S lives

1075
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,480
no one wants to know that that type of

1076
00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:31,920
real scary stuff they don't want to know

1077
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:33,960
that aliens are you know reading our

1078
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:35,820
minds and that they're appearing in our

1079
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,280
rooms and that they're they're attaching

1080
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,839
themselves to our bodies and hitchhiking

1081
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:41,520
back from Skinwalker Ranch which is

1082
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:43,320
something that's apparently Travis

1083
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:44,760
Taylor believes

1084
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,619
uh

1085
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,000
you know he's saying people are scared

1086
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,520
of that so let's not mention it let's

1087
00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:51,960
not mention it let's not mention the

1088
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:53,820
world this is something yeah that Leslie

1089
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,260
Kane will agree with she says I'm not

1090
00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:56,880
going to talk about the Paranormal even

1091
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:58,320
though I know that it's there Leslie

1092
00:41:02,450 --> 00:40:59,520
Kane

1093
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:02,460
famously has been to seances and uh has

1094
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,260
been touched by disembodied hands and

1095
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:06,240
those Sciences seems to give a lot of

1096
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,240
credence to the the reality of of

1097
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:12,480
mediums summoning something from the

1098
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:13,980
other side

1099
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,660
the woo

1100
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:18,480
as Gary Nolan said Gary Nolan said we

1101
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:20,579
don't want to talk about the woo but we

1102
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:23,640
all know the Woo is just around the

1103
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,660
corner

1104
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:26,280
that's what he said and kind of how he

1105
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:28,619
said it and interestingly when he said

1106
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:32,520
it he was there with uh a medium

1107
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:35,220
Tyler Henry famous TV medium the medium

1108
00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:37,380
to the Stars Tyler Henry very nice young

1109
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,540
man

1110
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:41,520
who speaks to the dead and tells people

1111
00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:44,040
what the dead tell him about their

1112
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,480
stories

1113
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,880
the Woo is just around the corner in

1114
00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:49,500
ufology

1115
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,839
are not very far away from believing in

1116
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,460
the Paranormal and a lot of them believe

1117
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:58,680
in the Paranormal Gary Netherland I

1118
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:00,300
think believes that there is something

1119
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:03,300
to Tyler Henry's claims of being able to

1120
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:06,540
speak to the Dead uh or at least do

1121
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:08,579
something some kind of channeling

1122
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:10,980
and I think he believes uh kind of what

1123
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:13,320
his mentor uh Jacques valet believes

1124
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:16,260
that a lot of this

1125
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:19,140
alien presence UFOs isn't actually nuts

1126
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,520
and bolts aliens from another world

1127
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:22,320
traveling here on spaceships it's

1128
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,140
actually some kind of inter-dimensional

1129
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:27,720
being perhaps like a trickster type

1130
00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:30,660
person who's faking these UFO incidents

1131
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,940
as UFOs so that

1132
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,040
they can disguise what they're actually

1133
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:36,960
doing it's a bit vague on the details

1134
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:39,540
but it's it's something like that

1135
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:42,599
so the Woo is all around you know all

1136
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,820
these people kind of believe to some

1137
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:46,800
degree or another in the Supernatural

1138
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,180
and this is something that is being

1139
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:51,060
being hidden and I think though it kind

1140
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,060
of came a little bit to the surface with

1141
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,339
uh with Dave garesh's talks of things

1142
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:58,560
like malevolence aliens malevolent

1143
00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,060
entities that's the type of thing that

1144
00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:02,220
you talk about you know weird entities

1145
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:05,060
like doing evil things to you

1146
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:08,339
uh but yeah it's um

1147
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:12,180
it's kind of troubling the this these

1148
00:43:17,890 --> 00:43:14,940
beliefs actually exist within some

1149
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:17,900
people in the intelligence community

1150
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:22,319
and apparently more than more than one

1151
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:24,180
like several people believe something

1152
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:26,220
along those lines probably to different

1153
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,960
degrees some of them simply believe that

1154
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,460
there's a crash retrieval program not

1155
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,680
everyone's going to be like down with

1156
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:34,079
the aliens are killing people Theory not

1157
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:35,280
everyone's going to be down with his

1158
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,859
theories of extra Dimensions or even the

1159
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,380
malevolence of certain things but there

1160
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,760
are people who believe that there's an

1161
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:44,640
alien crash retrieval program would be

1162
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:46,380
great if it was true I mean I really

1163
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,140
like to to uh hear about these aliens

1164
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,119
you know I'm very much a science fan of

1165
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:52,560
the science fiction fan and I'd love to

1166
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:54,060
hear about aliens it would be really

1167
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,500
really interesting

1168
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:57,359
I wouldn't care if I was wrong about

1169
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:59,640
certain UFOs that turn out to be

1170
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,619
actually aliens of course most of the

1171
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:03,000
things I identified have been

1172
00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:04,740
definitively identified as things like

1173
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,079
planes so it wouldn't really change that

1174
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,359
but it would be amazing if we could

1175
00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:11,040
actually solve certain cases as being

1176
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:13,020
aliens and then there's the whole thing

1177
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,819
about aliens themselves and all the new

1178
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,020
science that's going to come around be

1179
00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:17,520
pretty amazing probably pretty

1180
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,319
disruptive as well but you know it would

1181
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:21,480
be really an interesting time to live in

1182
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:23,640
and you know if they've been here for a

1183
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,319
while so they haven't uh haven't

1184
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:27,780
disrupted us yet but it would be super

1185
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:29,700
interesting I'm not against him I think

1186
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,859
uh Congress should investigate not

1187
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:33,900
because I think there are aliens but

1188
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,260
because uh this is kind of messed up

1189
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,800
this situation that we have now these

1190
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,300
claims that are being made and these

1191
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:44,099
back and forth things and congressmen

1192
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,020
being a congress people being involved

1193
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,540
and hearings being held

1194
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:50,760
it's kind of messed up dig deep figure

1195
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,180
out what's going on and uh let's bring

1196
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:55,920
everything out into the sunlight as much

1197
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,740
as possible and try to clear it up

1198
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:01,200
you know unfortunately though I think

1199
00:45:04,930 --> 00:45:02,940
what we're looking at probably is a

1200
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:04,940
classified program called the program

1201
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,560
which does stuff like crash retrievals

1202
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:09,599
and has recovered Russian submarines and

1203
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:10,440
uh

1204
00:45:17,050 --> 00:45:15,540
it was a joint program between Canada

1205
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:17,060
and the United States

1206
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,800
which which you know they recovered bits

1207
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:21,300
of that satellite and took it to be

1208
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:22,980
analyzed it's probably some people who

1209
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,839
work on those programs who think that it

1210
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,880
was a a UFO because they didn't know

1211
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,280
exactly what they were working on

1212
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,560
so we may not actually discover the

1213
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:33,119
truth hopefully Congress will and

1214
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,400
hopefully Congress will be able to tell

1215
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:38,160
us you know what the situation is in

1216
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,760
terms of you know this being not aliens

1217
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:42,960
uh but people are not going to believe

1218
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,700
them people are going to say it's a

1219
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,280
cover-up and the cycle will just

1220
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,680
continue anyway those are the points

1221
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:51,839
that took me let me see how long uh 45

1222
00:45:56,349 --> 00:45:53,460
minutes

1223
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:56,359
to actually go over in in great detail

1224
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,220
and uh I just had a few minutes on the

1225
00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:00,720
show and so I didn't really have the

1226
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:02,700
time to do it

1227
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:04,740
um love to talk more about it anybody

1228
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:07,619
wants to delve into these details and

1229
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:10,200
any more depth anything that I've missed

1230
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,880
and there probably is stuff the stuff

1231
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:13,680
that came up during the interviews

1232
00:46:19,809 --> 00:46:17,220
anything I've missed uh I'd love to talk

1233
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:19,819
more about it it's a fascinating topic

1234
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:22,740
and it's not going away